Thorne ([info]thorne_scratch) wrote,
@ 2005-10-09 16:43:00
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Current mood:advent-ish
Current music:Aimee Mann - Humpty Dumpty
Entry tags:advent children, ff7

You can see me coming from a mile off
Figures the holiday weekend I was going to the beach, it ends up raining like hell. Anyhow, Advent Children recap. Don't get me wrong, I did quite like the movie. But much of this was written late at night when my brain wasn't quite up to snuff. Also, beware blatant favoritism and fawning, as always.

AUDIENCE: This looks familiar. Oh good, they're going to explain how the city got like that.

NANAKI: Yeah, you WISH.

AUDIENCE: *reading fansub* Who the hell is Shion? Oh, TSENG.

Anyhow! You know, Reno in a helicopter has disaster written all over it. I'm sort of wondering how that came about. My best bet is that he grabbed the controls before Tseng noticed, and it all just sort of escalated from there. It's nice, of course, to know that Tseng survived. I think I assumed he died back at that whole Sephiroth-stabbing-him-in-the-Temple-of-the-Ancients debacle, but as always, if you don't see the body I guess it's fair game. I mean, Elena tried to punch you out in Icicle Village for him being dead. So, Tseng's alive, shit's going down, Marlene recaps the game for people who didn't actually play it while the screen-saver-like Lifestream twists and coils in the background.

GAMERS IN AUDIENCE: Old game stock footage! Tifa's boobs! Huzzah!

I'm squinting at all these sick people, trying to figure out what Geostigma actually does. So far, it looks like Geostigma equals unsightly bruising. I suppose that would be a problem for Cloud and his pretty face, but other than that… Well, I'm just gonna assume that it is, in fact, a bad thing. Cloud does seem to be in a fair amount of pain whenever he clutches his arm, but he's really the only one who you see suffering. Rufus supposedly can't walk, but that could be inferred from, you know, getting directly smashed by Diamond Weapon as well as from Geostigma.

***

TIFA: Behold how they made me even hotter, and also a lot more Asian so those fanboys can just double their pleasure. Hmm. We troop all over the planet and make, like, a gazillion gil but God forbid we can get some lights in here. Remember to call Cloud and remind him to pick up lightbulbs.

I miss Tifa's dolphin hair a bit.

***

AUDIENCE: Uh, what’s up with the wolf?

THORNE: *to self* A wolf needs a sword like a fish needs a bicycle. Hee! Wait, that's not funny.

So, Cloud is inflicted with self-existential angst and ignoring his cell phone messages. Fair enough. Where is Healin? Is that supposed to be a village from the original game that just isn't jumping to my mind right now? Meanwhile, the Silver Haired Men hang out and practice their best "Rebel Without a Cause" poses-- you cheap James Dean knockoffs!-- as well as ogle Cloud in a vaguely incestuous way.

Actually, strike that "vaguely".

YAZOO: Until I opened my mouth, you all thought I was a woman, didn't you.

LOZ: *sniffles*

KADAJ: Look, it's our older brother! He's so DREAMY.

YAZOO: Do you think he’ll let us grab his ass?

KADAJ: Only one way to find out!

Yazoo and Loz try to cop a feel off Cloud while Kadaj is content to try shadow-bestiality by proxy from a distance. Kadaj also multitasks with some phone-sex banter with Reno and possibly Rufus. Cloud jacks open his swiss army bike and they all do a motorcycle chase scene that tops the one from the second Matrix. Cloud admirably holds up under an onslaught of people shouting at him about mothers and psycho exes.

AUDIENCE: Hey, Yazoo stole Squall’s gunblade and miniaturized it.

YAZOO: *shoots Cloud point blank in the face and breaks his shades*

CLOUD: OMIGOD SCORCH MARKS ON MY FACE I KEEL YOU.

KADAJ: *mouthing at him from cliffside* Remember my name because you’ll be screaming it later, beautiful.

You know, of all the fanfiction that is suddenly cropping up around the release of Advent Children, one of the stranger (at least to me) fanon beliefs that seem to persist is that Kadaj has to be described as particularly youthful in comparison to… shit, everyone. He's always described as the silver-haired youth, or the silver-haired teen. There's a joke here to be made about drinking games and some of the more common epithets or descriptions-- slender, slim, youth, boy, and pouty being the main offenders-- but it is probably not worth our time.

I find this strange because honestly, to my eyes, Kadaj doesn't look particularly babyish or much younger than the characters he is commonly depicted as interacting with: Cloud, Loz, and Yazoo. To be fair, Loz does look older than Yazoo and Kadaj, and Yazoo is given the deep voice in an attempt to keep evreyone from thinking he's a woman. Cloud goes through spates of looking both older and younger, depending on the scene. I mean, I suppose if you have to single Kadaj out from the rest of the Silver Haired Men (and Squeenix called them the Silver Haired Men first) yes, he is the young one. But if you're perpetually reduced to using stock phrases and epithets to distinguish the characters in your fanfiction piece, you might have bigger problems on your hand.

Also, Cloud doesn't wear a helmet, which can't be very safe.

***

CLOUD: *beep*

BARRET : *on the phone* Oilfield! I am loud and enthusiastic and totally not Mr. T! You have had ample image-spoiling to know in advance that I will be wearing a mesh fishnet shirt in this movie but it will still blow you away when you see it for the first time, later in the film!

CLOUD: *beep*

TIFA: *on the phone* Reno called and they have a commission for you. He seemed a little weird though. I mean, for Reno. Watch out that he doesn’t try to grab your ass.

***

RENO: *lunges for Cloud when he opens the door*

CLOUD: *dodges, and locks him outside*

RENO: I wasn’t going to grab it very hard, yo. Just a little.

RUDE: *looms* …

RENO: *from outside* Rude! YOU try to grab his ass! Uh, yo.

RUFUS: *wheels himself in* Now, now, boys. There'll be plenty of time for ass grabbing later.

***

CLOUD: Rufus? Is that you? What's up with the blanket?

RUFUS: I couldn’t do a THING with my hair this morning. Now, I'm sure you're curious to know how I survived.

CLOUD: Not really. I just took a bullet to the face. I mean, I do this kind of thing five times before breakfast.

RUFUS: Well, I'll tell you anyway. When I--

CLOUD: Why am I here?

RUFUS: When it--

CLOUD: What's up with Reno's gangsta speech patterns?

RUFUS: And then--

CLOUD: Is the meaning of life really forty-two? Why do people keep trying to grab my ass? Also, I'm leaving.

RUFUS: I’M TRYING TO TELL A STORY HERE.

SQUEENIX: No, seriously, this way we totally don’t have to explain how he came back.

RENO: *from outside* Is there any ass grabbing going on that I'm missing?

***

RUFUS: Blah blah, vague hints of the plot, make restitution, we went into the Northern Crater because we heard it was full of candy but there was nothing there for you to worry your pretty little head about. Oh, except for those clones who look a lot like your ex.

CLOUD: Names, man. I have a lot of exes.

RUFUS: …The one who tried to destroy the world.

CLOUD: Oh. Well, why’d they attack me?

RUFUS: Perhaps they were after your ass.

RENO: *still outside* I would be, yo!

RUFUS: Seriously, Reno, shut up. So we decided to hire a skilled body guard who would be nice decoration as well. Even though you're a delivery man. You know, I think I saw a porno that started like this, once.

CLOUD: Who's this "mother" they keep talking about? Because I've never heard anyone ranting about finding their mother before. Totally doesn't ring a bell.

AUDIENCE: Oh come ON, it's so obvious.

RUFUS: Like I said, don't worry that pretty little head of yours. Look, Cloud. Please, please, PLEASE join our secret treehouse club? I bet it'll make those orphans real happy, and the skies will rain puppies and rainbows and lollipops.

CLOUD: Well…

RENO: *through crack in the door* We have ritual spanking, yo!

CLOUD: *storms off* I AM SO GONE.

RUDE: …That was the five hundred and seventy ninth meaningful moment that you've ruined, Reno.

***

Tifa and Marlene investigate Cloud's hideyhole, complete with ominous soiled rags. If I were Tifa, I probably would not have let Marlene touch those.

MARLENE: No, I want to see Cloud! I hear he has a nice ass.

TIFA: You are way too young to know things like that. But you're right. We'll wait, grab his ass, and then bring him home for a more leisurely grab.

***

RENO & RUDE: *collapsed on floor* Oh, man, right to the Turk junk!

KADAJ: *complete with big arm gestures* Let me tell you my evil plan! We're gonna have a concert! Like, you know, Woodstock or something! And instead of mosh pits and body paint, we're gonna smear Jenova juice on everyone. C’mon, it’s totally obvious who we are.

***

CLOUD: Damn kids, knocking over my sword. Get off my lawn! Oh God, I miss my dead best friend. Oh man, shouldn’t have had the chicken for lunch, it is totally disagreeing with me. Hey, wait, it's not indigestion, it's a flashback!

ZACK: You'll have to work hard if you want to be a Soldier and learn to grab ass. Hey, I didn't grab you too hard, did I? Because we're friends, right? Special friends. Special friends with special privileges. Uh oh. Run away!

CLOUD: …that was slightly more coherent than he usually was.

***

I rather liked this fight scene, more so with the juxtaposition of the piano music behind it. It was fun to see Tifa be bad-ass. He uses her as a battering ram on several church pews, and hits Tifa with an electric blow that shatters the solid stone pillar behind her, but doesn’t seem to leave much of a mark on her.

The cell phone victory ring was a very nicely timed joke. Also, the materia are pretty damn big. A lot bigger than I thought they were. I always thought they were kind of marble-size, whereas these are like, total softballs. It'd be tough to haul those around the world.

LOZ: *sneezes* I knew I should have brought my inhaler. Let's fight.

TIFA: Damnably lucky thing that I equipped my Spiderman materia.

*Cell phone victory ring*

LOZ: Dude, these roaming rates are gonna kill me. No, I am NOT crying, I just wanna have enough minutes left. Look, YOU were the one who got us this cell phone plan, so you should have thought of the fact that there's three of us and some of us use the phone more. Shut up. No, YOU shut up. Okay, fine, I'll get the thing from the guy in the place. FINE. GOD. …I am so telling on you.

***

CLOUD: This place looks slightly more wrecked up than it usually does. Omigod! Tifa! Who did this?

TIFA: Someone I don't know. But he looked a LOT like Sephiroth. Do you think that’s at all relevant?

Cloud has a Geostigma attack and faceplants into the flowers. Turk molestation seems imminent.

***

RENO: You were heavy, yo.

CLOUD: My ass is sore.

RENO: Yeah, about that…

Kadaj does more Big Arms gestures for the orphans. I was at first confused by the materia melding into the flesh of the arm trick-- it seemed to sort of make armor and weaponry materia slots pointless, which is silly, considering the gameplay. But most everyone I've spoken to has agreed that it is probably much more a Special Clone Trick Only. I still think those oversized materia would look kind of funky jammed in anyone but Cloud's weaponry. Well, actually Barrett's gun looks oversized enough to handle it, but everyone else…

Cloud and Tifa have Discussion That Is Supposed To Be Meaningful, but which really comes off as more badgering on Tifa's part to Save The Damn World Again. I know her catch phrase is the sort of "be strong, try your best" but I can't help thinking that would get a bit old after a while. I mean, you save the world once and suddenly you're caught in a vicious cycle of Saving The World While Undergoing Homoerotic Hijinks.

Also, it's a good thing Reno never takes his pony-tail out, because he'd have a pretty spectacular mullet, otherwise.

***

I was wondering why it was mostly children who had Geostigma and how the hell they got it. I've had debates with a few people on various theories-- that they're the children of experiments, that they're the children of the SOLDIERs, etc. I rather favor the idea that they were exposed to Jenova’s cells from the lifestream that touched the city of Midgar during the whole Meteor escapade. Jenova was defeated and diffused throughout the lifestream before the lifestream rose up to stop the Meteor, but still retained infective qualities. And for some reason, more children than adults got hit. Of course, then you hear Yuffie's cell phone message about all the Wutai children disappearing, which pokes holes in my theory but I don't know, maybe there was lifestream activity in Wutai too.

I haven't a clue where the clones came from. I don't know if they sort of spontaneously generated, or they were more of Hojo's spawn, or what.

Kadaj has great pyrotechnics, and I think it's quite clear that he was destined to become a Baptist Televangelist. When all the children waded into the lake, I kept expecting some of them to suddenly slip down into the depths. But, uh, I guess there's only one hole in the lake deep enough to drop a body into.

DENZEL: Usually, I, uh, DON'T drink water that turns black when someone gets into it. But hey, peer pressure.

AUDIENCE: Dude, corpses have been in that water.

***

Cloud has more inexplicable flashbacks. I still think Aeris’s outfit is kinda ridiculous. The jacket is just… odd. But I do admire her willpower not to fall into the same helpless addiction to black leather that it appears everyone else has. And her good-natured smack upside Cloud's head.

Ninepin bowling with children! And more physics-defying fighting.

CLOUD: Guys, it's called "foreplay".

Cell phone falls in. Vincent, or possibly just Vincent's sentient cape shows up out of nowhere to save Cloud and probably grope him a bit under all that swirling. Man, that cape kicks Spawn's cape's ass. Kadaj is understandably upset and mutters darkly for the rest of the night about being cockblocked by random wardrobe pieces.

***

CLOUD: …And in conclusion, Squeenix is also cashing in on the popularity of the pyrefly and snowfly trend. So. Like, what are you doing out here?

VINCENT: I come here a lot. I heard there was ass to be grabbed.

CLOUD: Was that a pickup line?

VINCENT: *grabs his arm* What do you think?

CLOUD: Well, you did save my life…

VINCENT: I'm going to explain Geostigma now so the audience will think it is more important than just unsightly bruising. Everyone is sick because they've got little pieces of Jenova floating in them, which in turn annoys your immune system. Because, you know, we've all got a little bit of Lifestream in us.

CLOUD: We do?

VINCENT: Would you LIKE a little bit of Lifestream in you?

CLOUD: …Okay, pick-up line aside, you know, we made, like, a gazillion gil from trooping all over the planet, so you could really afford to mend your cape, or even buy a new one. And maybe some real shoes.

VINCENT: Yeah, anyway. I saved Tseng and Elena and we had a big Turk sleepover here in the Forgotten City. I don't know why I bothered, though. Have you seen what that man's done to my beloved Turks corp? I mean, look at Reno alone.

CLOUD: So mother equals Jenova. I never thought of that. Huh.

VINCENT: Yeah, with that head, they could remake Sephiroth. Didja hear that, people? This is called FORESHADOWING.

MARLENE: *pops out of bushes* I'm here to make you give in and Save The Damn World Again. And to make sure Vincent is accessorizing properly.

Cloud and Vincent totally ping the UST vibe, but that's probably just me. I mean, if I were summarizing this movie in a concise way, I'd just say, "Everyone in the entire world wants Cloud, but especially Sephiroth and his boyband."

I did like it that they showed Cloud and Vincent were friends of a sort. And I liked the fact Vincent got a good amount of the dry humor lines in the movie. I imagine they are thinking of potential Dirge of Cerberus buyers. And I really liked Vincent's voice. Actually, all the voices were much better than I thought they would be.

***

CELL PHONE: *dies dramatically*

AUDIENCE: Holy crap, is that Aeris’s dead body the phone is resting next to? Hardcore, Squeenix. Also, there’s that damn wolf again.

I seriously couldn't tell. It could have been rocks or random debris on the bottom of the lake. Or it could have been a dead-looking hand. Hard to say. If it was, man, that sort of makes me want to give Squeenix a bit of a salute. We can't have blood when Aeris gets stabbed through the middle, but by God we can have moldering corpses.

***

I have to wonder vaguely how Kadaj and Loz and Yazoo are transporting all those kids back and forth from their various locations. Last time I checked, the City of the Ancients is a fair distance from Midgar. I'm gonna assume exit materia.

YAZOO & LOZ: Let’s rip this place apart.

RENO: Hold up there, Action Jackson. I'd ask what you're doing, but it's, like, obvious, so I'll just skip ahead to why are you here?

LOZ & YAZOO: Mom's under there! She's gotta be! Why else would Rufus build a sculpture of the plate in the middle of the city, aside from reminding all the people that any day now there is the possibility another plate section could be dropped and crush them like bugs?

RENO: Man, you guys are so lucky you can live off your looks. Yeah, you gonna take that?

RUDE: Oh SNAP.

YAZOO: Yeah, well, your boss doesn't trust you!

LOZ: Yeah!

RENO & RUDE: RAR!

***

Moving along. Rufus and Kadaj hang out on top of a very high building-- Shinra Tower? The part that wasn't blown up? I have no idea. I do wonder how Rufus got his wheelchair up there, as I imagine post-destruction!Midgar is not particularly handicap friendly. I rather think they eased into their conversation-- maybe spat on some people from above and dropped a few gil before getting down to business.

RUFUS: First off, I swear to God, I will smack you if you don't stop humming "Jumper" by Third Eye Blind.

KADAJ: Yeah, well, my MOM says I'm a good singer. My mom likes me best! Better even than Sephiroth! I think. She's been talking about him an awful lot lately… And she always brags about him more than me… And she put his picture two and three-fourths inches in front of mine on her desk…

RUFUS: Your mom is… anyway, about that Jenova stuff. History repeats itself and so that’s why we’ll stop you.

KADAJ: That’s a stupid argument. You're stupid! I AM TAKING MY BALLS AND GOING HOME. By balls, I mean materia, of course.

DIEHARD GAMERS IN AUDIENCE: Hey, only the red materia summon creatures. He's using a green one.

BAHAMUT: *is kinda hokey looking* RAR!

***

I loved the Reno and Rude antics. I mean, I did love nearly every second the Turks were onscreen, although I'm really not too invested in them. Possibly, that's why-- I had no expectations for them and haven't been following Before Crisis nearly as close as I've been following Advent Children. I do find certain attitudes strange-- one of which being someone's comment that Reno's clumsiness and facial expressions in AC meant he was rather more uke-ish.

The Turks were definitely the comedy relief of Advent Children, but I don't think that makes one necessarily more uke or seme. But, different strokes for different folks. I loved the Reno and Rude friendship and partnership-- "aibo", and the accidental whacks to the face, and fighting back to back, and the sunglasses, and running away from Bahamut… it goes on.

And yes, I did like that they saved the kids.

RENO: *gets fingers shoved up nostrils* Oi, you ungrateful brat, I should have left you as assorted Bahamut snack food.

YAZOO: Isn't this fun?

RENO: Who's got the Spiderman materia now, bitch? Also, I know kung fu.

YAZOO & LOZ & RENO & RUDE: *fighting, with the occasional mother query, or on Reno's part, mother joke.*

RENO: You know it's just a DISEMBODIED HEAD.

YAZOO: WHATCHOO SAY ABOUT MY MOMMA?

LOZ: OH NO YOU DI'INT.

***

Denzel tries to kick Bahamut in the shin, and we finally see Barrett's mesh shirt in all its glory. Squeenix works its fans shamelessly by throwing in everyone from the game who hasn't made an appearance yet, each with their own line meant to encompass and introduce their personality and activity from the game. Vincent makes off with the best line. Tifa and Denzel just sort of stand there because they can't go anywhere until Cloud shows up so they can have more Metaphoric-Laid banter. Allowing Denzel to run back to the bar unaccompanied seems on the same brain length as leaving Marlene in charge of the bar at the beginning of the game, but hey.

BARRET: Mesh shirt! Running out of ammo at awkward times!

CAIT SITH: Totally scared! And I ride on Nanaki because even Squeenix knew having me bouncing around on a mog would push the limits of believeability!

NANAKI: Er, right, I growl a lot?

YUFFIE: Airsickness! And materia! Ooh, yeah, I get TWO personality notes, because I'm totally gonna be in Dirge of Cerberus.

CID: I am Cid Fucking Highwind, and don't you pansy-ass surface-dwellers forget about it.

VINCENT: Where's the phone store?

CLOUD: My burden's worn away. But there appears to be a whole new one ready to take up and to embrace.

YUFFIE: Incidentally, I swiped your Spiderman materia, Tifa.

***

RUFUS: *stands up and high-dives off the building* FOOLED YOUUUU.

KADAJ: Ma! I'm coming, Ma!

AUDIENCE: Wait, if Jenova’s head is in that tiny little box… does that make her a pinhead? Well, I see Sephiroth didn't have a lot to carry.

***

I was trying to gear myself up to make jokes about how AVALANCHE all throws Cloud higher, but I can't do it. I actually liked that scene a lot, as blatantly symbolic and physics defying as it was. I mean, it has heart, that scene. The order of throwing was, let me see… Barret, Cid, Nanaki and Cait, Yuffie, Vincent, Tifa, and Aeris. Apropos of nothing, I thought they kept the Tifa and Aeris balance pretty even and handled it more diplomatically than I thought they would. I liked Vincent's "Fly!" and the music for the whole scene is my most second played track in the OST. No guesses as to what the first is.

My one complaint about the scene is that at the end, when Cloud reaches for Aeris's hand? A nice tie-in to the game, but if Squeenix had wanted to really destroy me, they would have shown Cloud getting to grab Zack's hand as well. Because really, Zack got almost as much focus as Aeris did when it came to wanting to be forgiven and making promises to live, and having both him and Aeris give Cloud that final boost up would have been a grand touch, in my opinion.

***

Rufus and Kadaj are meanwhile playing Matrix slo-mo shooting and falling games, although the mind suffers when it imagines either of them as Trinity or Neo. I was glad Tseng and Elena both got their two-second cameos and saved Rufus besides, and really, I did like seeing the Turks all bonded together.

RENO: *clambers up to get Rufus down*

RUDE: *tries the same and falls on his ass*

RENO: Forget to equip your Spiderman materia, huh?

RUDE: …Yes.

***

More motorcycle hijinks. They fight and grab each other and grapple for dominance inside a tunnel.

CLOUD: The symbolism of this is not lost on me.

Reno and Rude stand outside the tunnel with homemade dynamite and have hilarious conversations, culminating in spectacular fireworks.

CLOUD: *blows by Reno and Rude* No time for ass grabbing! Back later! OMIGOD, you people should really finish building your freeways.

Kadaj leers some more, there's more rainbows in the fireworks, and Cloud celebrates getting his groove back by ripping off his sleeve. Kadaj parks his motorcycle in the church, breaking at least seventeen laws about what you can and can't do in a church, and then gets all pissy that his Can O' Jenova sprung a leak. Cloud blows in, breaking all the rest of the church etiquette laws, and they fight.

AUDIENCE: How are there any flowers left growing there at ALL?

Squeenix sends in the deus ex machina of Aeris and the mystical rain, although as [info]soranokumo points out, it's really more dea ex machina. Cloud heals and says a wistful goodbye to his best source of emo inspiration.

KADAJ: IT BURNS!

CLOUD: I wonder if I should write about this in my livejournal later.

Kadaj tear-asses out of the church and looks like he's about to have a Hamlet-like soliloquy, complete with skull/severed alien head in one hand. Cloud shows up and Squeenix further squeezes the fans with the puppet line.

KADAJ: Mother will tell me what to do!

CLOUD: …You’re taking your orders from a head in a box? A tiny head?

KADAJ: Oh shut UP, puppet-boy.

***

CID: CID FUCKING HIGHWIND.

YUFFIE: Cloud's fighting a bug?

CAIT SITH: I hear there are medicated shampoos for that.

BARRET: We could go help him.

VINCENT: Or we could stand here and admire his ass.

TIFA: I have to say, I'm with Vincent on this one.

AVALANCHE: Meh, let’s let Cloud do all the work.

TIFA: Cloud was all inspired two years ago, and then he lost it. Possibly because we made him pick up pizza for us too many times. But, I mean, he WAS the only one who owned a bike and have you seen the gasoline bills for an airship?

***

KADAJ: *bathes in goop* I’ll show you my "reunion."

CLOUD: You know, that line was a lot more impressive when Sephiroth used it.

SEPHIROTH: Gimme me some sugar, baby.

CLOUD: …Well, I certainly did not see this coming.

***

And thus we come to the most rewatched bit of Advent Children by far. I swear, the whole thing is one long running homoerotic grapple between Cloud and Sephiroth. I've really said just about everything I mean to say about this bit in previous AIM exchanges. It just seemed like one big excuse for Sephiroth to come back and get it on with Cloud. Sephiroth has the grabbiest hands EVER.

SEPHIROTH: My desire is this, Cloud. To use this Planet as a ship to travel through the darkness of the universe. Just like Mother did long ago.

CLOUD: …So you want to be a space pirate. Just like your mom.

Sephiroth goes on about his motivations and goals. It totally sounds like he wants Cloud to do all this new paradise stuff with him. He woos Cloud with the temptation of space piracy, which I must say, would totally work on me. When Cloud asks, "What happens to the planet?" Sephiroth seems to… uh, not really care, as long as he gets Cloud booty and piracy.

SEPHIROTH: You look good. What made you stronger?

CLOUD: *bashfully* Well, I have been working out. Whoops. I mean, rar!

SEPHIROTH: I thought of what to give you as a gift. Shall I give you despair? Or how about big flaming chunks of rock? Or WANG?

CLOUD: Bad touch! Bad touch!

SEPHIROTH: Kneel down, and show me how you look begging for mercy.

There can't be anything better than that line. All I can picture though is Cloud internally grumbling, "What, like you've already forgotten two years later? You never wrote. You never called. You could have sent flowers, not dopey clones."

AUDIENCE: Why Nomura, you fanboy, you.

NOMURA: Whaaaaaat?

Er, let's see. Phallic weapons, wall-pinning, penetration jokes, rainbows when the swords hit, throat-grabbing, Sephiroth walking off an Omnislash in grand Monty Python fashion, the wing thing, Cloud asking Sephiroth to say in his "special" memories, and Sephiroth pretty much promising that he's going to be coming back whenever he damn well pleases or at least when he finds some better looking clones. Right-o.

I did like Kadaj's tortured "Niisan…" gasp. And Aeris coming to guide him back.

***

*Rain falls. Everyone lives.*

AVALANCHE: Hooray!

CAIT SITH: Cloud’s a man!

AUDIENCE: *squinting* Are you… sure about that?

TIFA: You were always with us, weren't you? Thank you… Spiderman.

***

CLOUD: I feel like I'm in a Pantene Pro V commercial. Well, might as well make the most of it, considering Squeenix blew, like, all the budget on rendering my hair.

YAZOO: *shoots him through the chest*

CLOUD: …well, shit.

YAZOO: Let’s all go home together, wink wink, nudge nudge.

LOZ: Let's all have fun together, if you know what I mean and I think you DO.

CLOUD: *stabbity* Man, this movie is one long homoerotic tussle. Thanks, Nomura, for leaving my sexuality up for grabs to anything that comes along and is capable of groping.

NOMURA: No problem.

YAZOO & LOZ: *dissolve* So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, fuck you.

AUDIENCE: Dude, he just got shot RIGHT THROUGH THE CHEST. Is he going to walk that off too?

I thought the scene going from color to black and white when Cloud gets shot was a subtle but really nice touch, both for dramatic purposes and also almost like a nod to the Zack ending. I could have totally gone for more Zack images in the film, but since Crisis Core is supposed to be about him, I suppose they're rationing him out. Regardless, I liked the Zack and Aeris bantering with Cloud while he was unconscious, and Aeris stroking his forehead, and like [info]soranokumo said, Cloud's identification of Aeris with his mother fits into the game's original maternal implications that the creators were trying for. I would have been seriously annoyed if Cloud died, but really, I can't help wondering how much longer until he has to save the world AGAIN.

AERIS: Aww, he's so cute when he's barely conscious and clinging to life.

ZACK: Sorry, kiddo, not time yet. But cheer up, I'm always with you. Especially in the shower.

AUDIENCE: Seriously, what is up with that wolf?

I wonder that too. Is it supposed to stand for, um, Cloud's nature, or Zack's nature or… you know, never mind.

***

CLOUD: *wakes up in water, surrounded by children* Oof. Someone's hand is on my ass. Heeeeey, you all tried to kill me not so long ago. Well, bygones will be bygones.

TIFA: Go on, you don't want to have unsightly bruising forever, do you?

DENZEL: I dunno. With everyone else healed, I can totally be the most emo one in the film, since I can't be the cutest.

CLOUD: No one out-emo's me, kid. Get in the damn water.

Isn't anyone concerned about the potential chemical runoff in that water? This IS Midgar we are in, folks.

***

AERIS: So, you're all right now, right?

CLOUD: Well, Sephiroth pretty much as good as said he could come back at any time, and now I don't have Geostigma as an excuse to avoid people, and they're all going to go back to making me pick up the pizza when we order out, and Rufus and the Turks are probably gonna pull something soon. So, um, no.

AERIS: Right, see ya!

ZACK: *waves*

CLOUD: I'm not alone anymore… because the fangirls are coming.

I had the "HOLY SHIT I NEED TO WORK ON MY FICATHON PIECE!" panic attack today. So of course, all I've been messing around with are FFVII and AC pieces. It seems the most logical thing to do. I'm refraining myself from posting more AIM, but only barely. It's just easier to post AIM than to actually write this sort of thing out.



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[info]m_steelgrave
2005-10-09 09:12 pm UTC (link)
I sort of assumed the unsightly bruising led to gangrene or gout or leprosy or something. You know, not only does it look bad, but the tender bits will start to fall off before long.

Then I realized that's probably more logical than necessary, given the plot (or lack thereof).

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-09 11:02 pm UTC (link)
That makes a lot of sense, as I would very unhappy with a one-armed Cloud. Or Cloud missing anything else.

Cloud: O.o My tender bits!

It was very pretty, and I'm happy with that.

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[info]twigcollins
2005-10-09 09:24 pm UTC (link)
"I still think those oversized materia would look kind of funky jammed in anyone but Cloud's weaponry."

... *cough*

I full-bore cackled no less than five times while reading this. Sorry to hear it rained on you : (

Such incredible big twig love for this review. Mind if I steal "So long, farewell, auf wiedersehen, fuck you." for K&P?

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-09 11:06 pm UTC (link)
You know, I totally wrote that in dead seriousness. It was only afterwards that I reread it for double-entendre. Much like the whole movie. Is okay about rain. I got your email!

You know, I would say yes except I totally stole it from somewhere else. Maybe change it to screw you? Mrrrph.

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[info]powercorrupts
2005-10-09 09:37 pm UTC (link)
I love that you mention the rainbows, because the rainbows demanded to be mentioned. My exboyfriend came up with a long, physics-laden response to what the rainbows represent, but I told him that I prefered to just think they meant buttsex.

I happen to think that the reason Cloud was moping was he thought Sephiroth, Aerith, and Zack were all having hot ghost sex while he was still alive. It would explain a lot, when you think about it, especially that he seems rather ambivalent about dying. But when he saw them, he realized this wasn't true at all. All that heaven really was was sorta like Star Wars - the ghosts get to pop in at the end and do a dorky wave.

I figured the wolf was Zack. It made for some very amusing discussions on Cloud wearing Zack.

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-09 11:19 pm UTC (link)
The rainbows are key. And I agree with you; the whole rainbowy fight scene was really Sephiroth doing an interpretive dance of Cloud-ass-now-please.

See, I can see Cloud moping because he's totally paranoid now that Sephiroth, Zack, and Aeris are watching him and he doesn't know it. I mean, he'll never be able to take a shower or go the bathroom without it being a tiny gnawing fear in the back of his mind.

Zack = Wolf. Huh. Well, I've heard stranger theories.

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[info]alhazred
2005-10-10 12:06 am UTC (link)
Nomura's said in an interview somewhere that the wolf is Cloud's guilt. It shows up in places related to things in his life he hates himself for (where Zack died, where Aeris died,...) Hence, why it vanishes into thin air (into thin Lifestream?) at the end. "Yo, Cloud. I'm you're guilt. ...no, really, I'm you're guilt! STOP IGNORING ME. Don't you feel all guilty? FEEL GUILTY DAMMIT oh no I'm melting, I'm mellllltiiiiing..."

I SO said that line about Vincent's cape first. 8P

Personally, I still ascribe to the idea that the Geostigma kids are what's left of the SOLDIERs' families, because it's overly dramatic, but the idea that the Lifestream carried Jenova to some people works too, actually. Yuffie's line doesn't break it, just assume that the massive gout of Lifestream at the end of the game went came from everywhere on the planet.

Then again, that's something those nutjob "EVERYONE DIED AT THE END OF THE GAME SO ADVENT CHILDREN IS OBVIOUSLY BROKEN! IT IS IT IS IT IS!" people like to say. Personally, my interpretation of the game's ending doesn't even leave that as a possibility. I probably subconciously adjusted what I think was going on to blot those people out...

Also, I thought it was a nice touch that Cid named his new airship the "Mark Shera." I also thought it was a nice touch that he went back to the helicopter/zepplin philosophy, instead of that whole silly rocket ship thing. Man, was that form ugly.

I've been highly tempted to invent a reason in UF somewhere where I could totally rip off the whole killing Bahamut thing...but I'm not that cool.

I've always liked the idea that Vincent and Cloud are buddies. It's like the empathise with each other, having horribly angsty pasts related to Hojo. And dude, I want Vincent's gun. In some ways, I wish he'd been toting Death Penelty around, but it wouldn't have been nearly as cool as his pistol acrobatics.

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-10 01:23 am UTC (link)
Huh. Well, far be it for me to insult anthromorphized guilt complexes.

I started writing this thing, like, on the day I first saw AC, so some of these jokes were totally funny and original for a while. I just didn't get around to posting it for, you know, three weeks afterwwards. Ah, well.

Twig once mentioned that the only reason we don't see Cloud pissing on Hojo's corpse after Vincent sets it on fire is because graphics weren't quite good enough at the time. I concur.

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[info]soranokumo
2005-10-10 01:12 am UTC (link)
You're probably the only person I could read this sort of thing about AC from and not, you know, get terribly upset.

Also, I wondered about where Cloud got shot, too, but when I watched the movie on the DVD--his outfit actually gets bloodstains on it after Masamune stabs him and he gets shot--he got stabbed in one shoulder and shot in the other. I totally didn't see this in the avi file, but when Aerith places her hand on his forehead later on? The wounds heal. You can see a green glow around them. It's a good thing he did heal, or he'd probably wind up losing use of both arms.

I guess if I was a good girl I'd go back and check that hand, too, but I forgot about it because I only watched that scene and the Zack flashback. So at some point I'll check and let you know.

There's a few other things I've caught that might answer your questions but I won't trouble you with them in your comments thing. Me and my weird observations and theories.

All that said, I'm sorry you got rained on. >_< We've got quite a lot of rain here, too. Missing you terribly, but I hope the ficathon writing goes well.

(And then lj mysteriously ate it, hence the reposting. Oi.)

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-10 01:20 am UTC (link)
Er, that's odd. Well, my reply is up above, but I'll repost it here anyway.

I kid because I love. You know that. (Actually, it would just be one long, "SQUEEEE! CLOUD! SQUEEEEE! SEPHIROTH! SQUEEEE! ZACK! SQUEEE! VINCENT! SQUEEEE! TIFA!" and so on down the line if I were feeling more concise. Which I was obviously not.)

Cool thing about Aeris healing the wounds. Yeah, I was a trifle surprised when he... just yanked that sword out and was swinging his own sword with no ill effects. But then, if I ragged on the movie for being unrealistic, I would be a total crankcase and besides, as I keep saying, it was pretty.

Dude, spout your weird observations and theories all over my comments. I think you're one of the most well informed people I know. I've been totally rude to other people about their theories because I'm a jerk that way, but I nearly always end up supporting yours.

Yeah, ocean's not very scenic with this sort fo autumnal rain. Oh God, I have a week left. This is going to be a rush job. Thanks for the well wishes, though.

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[info]wickedorin
2005-10-10 02:15 am UTC (link)
I'd like to sum up my thoughts about this by saying, simply: thank you for writing and sharing. Very much. *grin*

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-10 04:06 am UTC (link)
Thanks! I did worry about offending hardcore fans. I'm glad you liked it!

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[info]dev_chieftain
2005-10-10 04:33 am UTC (link)
As usual, your thoughts hit pretty much where I would put mine, so I'll only nod and agree.

...the thing is, see, I have thoughts of response as I read but they fade by the time I finish so I'm left mumbling dazedly to myself. 'What was it I was going to say? Ah, hell.'

I did really enjoy the Turk bits myself, though I'm likewise not usually one to care for them either way.

The ending was sweet, in spite of the fact that it didn't make sense (deja vu! I remember feeling that way about the game) so I was willing to take the closure of Aerith and Zack trusting Cloud to be able to take care of himself from here on out over the plausibility of Cloud apparently getting over his serious case of Hermitry +5. (Maybe that's what Geostigma really is. You stop bathing and begin to loathe social contact. Or something.)

There was more. What was it? Augh. Maybe I'll remember later.

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-10 06:26 am UTC (link)
Huzaah! Yeah, this thing is about three weeks old because I would start to write it, watch a bit of the movie for reference, get sidetracked, and then go to bed. Vicious cycle, really.

Yeah, Turks never really pinged me before. All about the Soldier love.

loud apparently getting over his serious case of Hermitry +5. (Maybe that's what Geostigma really is. You stop bathing and begin to loathe social contact. Or something.)

AHAHAHAHA. Yeah. I agree.

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[info]velithya
2005-10-10 10:33 am UTC (link)
HILARITY :D:D

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-10 05:29 pm UTC (link)
FATALITY. XD

*hug*

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[info]creepy_crawly
2005-10-10 02:33 pm UTC (link)
nurhurhurhurhur...you rock...*dies giggling*
There goes my ability to watch AC with a straight face...
*snerk*
you own.
marry me?

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-10 05:29 pm UTC (link)
I did love the movie. I just enjoy making stupid comments about things. Thanks!

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[info]trowacko
2005-10-10 04:15 pm UTC (link)
Vincent, or possibly just Vincent's sentient cape shows up out of nowhere to save Cloud and probably grope him a bit under all that swirling. Man, that cape kicks Spawn's cape's ass.

hahahaha! that was my thoughts *exactly* when i saw Vincent's cape! XDDDDD

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-10 05:30 pm UTC (link)
That cape really did deserve its own separate credit in the end credits, I thought. XD

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[info]kaisers_minion
2005-10-10 05:26 pm UTC (link)
I think the reason Zack wasn't in the whole "toss Cloud up to Bahamut" scene was that he was off in the Lifestream trying to convince Seph to give him one more lay before he was temporarily reincarnated.
Zack: Come on! I've got lube and /everything/!
Seph: Mm, Cloud-ass.
Zack: But... but hey! I like Cloud-ass too!

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-10 05:32 pm UTC (link)
Heh, totally plausible. Sadly, hardly anything or anyone can withstand the lure of Cloud-ass, so Zack was really doomed before he got started on that one. But hey, maybe he had a chance to get a few pats in after Cloud got shot and was hanging out in the whiteness for a while.

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[info]gwy
2005-10-10 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Brilliant. I laughed so hard that i cried. Just wonderful ^^

some favourite quotes...

although the mind suffers when it imagines either of them as Trinity or Neo.

oh god ,no *images, go out of my head!*

CLOUD: I wonder if I should write about this in my livejournal later.

LOL

have you seen the gasoline bills for an airship?

if they are any like our bills for the car than i do not wanna know

SEPHIROTH: Gimme me some sugar, baby.

CLOUD: …Well, I certainly did not see this coming.


bwahaha. Brilliant.

oh eh btw i came here through merith post... not that you wonder "what the hell is this person doing in my lj? i dont even know her?"

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-11 03:25 am UTC (link)
I'm very glad you liked it! And yeah, thanks for telling me where you came from, I was a little curious about where people were finding this from!

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[info]ningengirai
2005-10-10 06:39 pm UTC (link)
Got here by link via [info]toxictattoo and I just about laughed my ass off. That was brilliantly funny. Thanks for writing it.

In case you're interested - this is a translation that was posted to adventchildren_ a while back, of the staff commentary on the Advent Pieces DVD. I don't know how accurate the translation is, but most of it makes sense:

- There's a lot more languages in the FFVII world besides Japanese.

-Apparently during the remade scenes of the game's last battle, Cait Sith doesn't have the fat moogle due to workload issues?

- The representation of the Lifestream was hard to create.

- There's a meaning to the number of birds seen flying over the mounts of wreckage, but they don't say what it is.

- There's a meaning to the angel statue, but they didn't say what.

- Healin was designed based on a hot spring resort. There's slopes for Rufus up to the entrance, but since thinking it's be a struggle for him to get up them they designed an elevator. But it doesn't show up at all in the film. Nomura laments its loss. The wheelchair was also motion captured, and is still in the studio.

- Rufus's left hand is hidden, but he has Jenova's head at that point in time. There were some people doing the commentary who didn't know about that.

- Marlene originally threw a rock at Loz. It was changed to Materia later (along with the addition of the scene where Marlene looks at the box before).

- Some of the commentary staff asked what was that black thing that appeared when Kadaj stepped into the water, to which someone replied that it was the the dye from his clothes bleeding. Really, it's the will/'shinen' overflowing from Kadaj that's flowing into the water, like Kadaj himself (being a 'shinentai'/remnants) flowing into the water.

- The reason the children's movements are quite super-human is because they drank the water mixed with Kadaj's will, and Sephified them.

- Shogo Suzuki, who plays Vincent, did the title call/said the title in the trailers at first. They hadn't decided to cast him as Vincent at the time, but apparently the title call is what triggered it.

- During production of the game the tips of Vincent's boots were rounded, but Yoshinori Kitase [producer] told them to "make them pointier" so they were changed to the pointy ones you see now. The reason he asked for them changed was that they 'didn't fit Vincent's character', but the meaning behind this isn't explained.

- The scene with the Kadaj and Rufus in the building was added later. There's a meaning behind the '13' on the building they're in, but they didn't say what.

- The name of the Bahamut in the film is "Bahamut SHIN" (Tremor). This name was only revealed with the figure, so it's not well known. The names of FFVII's Bahamuts come from old Japanese fighter planes. (KAI/Neo, REISHIKI/Zero, SHIN/Tremor).

- The reason Bahamut Shin is digging where the memorial statue was is because Kadaj ordered him, believing Jenova's head was there.

- Nomura didn't design Yuffie or Barret's outfits. Yuffie's was done by some of the female staff, and Barret's by the art director Yuusuke Naora. Barret's tattoo was design by Luz (who made the cap and T-shirt from the boxset).

- The scene where everyone helps Cloud jump up towards Bahamut Shin is called the 'Relay Battle', and is a homage to the scene from the game's ending where when Cloud reachs up towards the light Aeris is holding out her hand.

- Rufus' gun was originally a small design that could be hidden in his sleeve.

- Kadaj, Loz and Yazoo's bikes have a machinegun installed in the front. Even though it isn't used in the film, during the early stages there were scenes where they used them.

- The scene where water bursts out in the church was a homage to the game's ending where the Lifestream flows out from the ground. For that reason, the camera angle was made the same.

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[info]ningengirai
2005-10-10 06:40 pm UTC (link)
- There was a scene where Kadaj and Cloud fought on top of debris, climbing up it, but it was cut.

- The scene where Kadaj looked down on Cloud was planned to have the rest of the party members gather around as well.

- For the scene where Kadaj absorbs Jenova, there was a plan for him to absorb it by eating Jenova. (O_O)

- The Sephiroth battle was originally planned to take place at dusk.

- The black substance Sephiroth summoned was a kind of negative Lifestream, from the people who had died of Geostigma.

- Advent Children was made with the theme of 'family'.

- Since they had really wanted a scene showing Tifa and Aerith's connection, they added the "so you've been with us all along" scene.

- During production the scene where Aerith put her hand on Cloud's forhead and says 'mother?' Cloud's eyes were initially supposed to be open during the scene.

- The scenes where the wolf appears are at the cliff where Zack was killed, the Forgotten Capital and the church. The wolf symbolizes Cloud's feelings of regret towards the events associated in these places. Once he's able to settle all these the wolf (Cloud's feelings) return to normal and disappears. (Wolf = Cloud's scene of regret.)

- Casting Red XIII was apparently difficult.

- The scene where the children jump into the water and Aerith and Zack appear wasn't changed at all since it was completed. It's the scene they most wanted to show since the start of development.


Q & A

- Who is Kadaj talking to at the start?

Here’s a couple of hints, try to work it out yourself.
・Yazoo and Loz are chasing Cloud so at least it’s not going to be Cloud or one of his friends
・It’s someone who yells
・Since Kadaj says ‘put on the President’, it’s clear that it isn’t going to be Rufus
・If it’s someone who would likely be near the President, then it’s probably one of the Turks


- What’s the name of that city? Is that Midgar?

The city where Tifa’s bar is and where she and the orphans live is ‘Edge’, a new city built around Midgar. The place where the Turks and Rufus are is ‘Healin’. Towards the end the fights take place in Midgar.


- Why is Rufus covered by that cloth?

(From: Prologue p.60)
Why is Rufus in the wheelchair most of the time?
Nomura: It’s a disguise. Rufus is very self-confident and like attention, so you could say it’s an act he’s playing for himself.


- What's the meaning behind the ribbons Cloud and Tifa are wearing?

- In one scene there’s a ribbon on Cloud’s arm.
Nomura: The whole team are wearing those pink ribbons.

- Are they some kind of protective charm?
Nomura: They’re wearing them in memory of someone, so they won’t forget about them.

Location of the ribbons:
Cloud: Left arm, hidden until that last part of the film
Tifa: Left arm
Barret: Left wrist
Vincent: Right arm
Yuffie: Left arm
Cid: Left arm
Cait Sith: Left arm/wrist
Red XIII: Front left leg, just above the bangle
Marlene: Tied in her hair


- What’s a box of materia doing in a place like that?

(From: Prologue p. 61)
- Is Yuffie still running around collecting materia?
Nomura: No. Yuffie’s busy, and it’s dangerous to have them around so she gives the material to Cloud. But Cloud’s not bothered so he leaves them laying around for Marlene to pick up and throw (laughs)


- Isn't the Forgotten Capital a long way from Edge?

Edge is on the outskirts of Midgar, and the Forgotten Capital is to the north of Midgar, with an ocean in-between. Maybe the Turks dropped them if, if they went in a straight line it shouldn’t be too long. More importantly, how'd they get through without the Luna Harp… Maybe they still have it from back in FFVII.


- What is Cloud’s 'sin'?

Not being able to save people important to him. In FFVII, you saw how Cloud couldn’t save some people dear to him. Though he wasn’t the sole one responsible or to blame for it, to him ‘not being able to save them’ is a heavy ‘sin’ to bare.
When Vincent tells him that he “never tried (to atone for his sins)”, Cloud is taken aback by it. “It’s not if they can be atone for, but trying to see if they can or not that’s important.” When he answers Vincent with “I’ll let you know how it goes”, it might be replying back to when Vincent said “I’m atoning for my sin by sleeping.”

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[info]ningengirai
2005-10-10 06:41 pm UTC (link)
- Where’s the phone shop?

In the Forgotten Capital when Marlene says she wants to talk to Tifa, Cloud looks for the phone he lost during the fight with Kadaj. Marlene asked Vincent if he has one, but he opens his cape to show he doesn’t. Upon seeing this Marlene says how it’s unbelievable (that someone doesn’t own a phone).
・He was really hurt by this
・When Cloud says “I’ll let you know how it goes” he makes a phone gesture (holding his hand up to his ear)
If you watch the digest included with AC, you’ll see if he buys a phone or not.


- Didn’t Tseng die?

When you speak to him in FFVII he says “I’m… still alive...,” then goes silent. A great majority of people took this as meaning he died. It looks like he was resuced while Cloud’s group was inside and survived.


- Why does Kadaj scream when he looks inside the box?

(From: Advent Pieces’ replica script)
The box has been damaged by Cloud. Kadaj checks that it is Mother’s box, and looks happy. However, when the box was damaged so were the contents. His expression changes to one of shock and sadness as he clutches the box. Kadaj yells. He wonders if it wasn’t Cloud who damaged it but Rufus.


- Why doesn’t Cloud’s group use materia?

Unknown, perhaps they’re strong enough without them?


- What was the last skill Cloud used in the Sephiroth battle?

According to the commentary, it’s called ‘Omnislash ver.5’. Why it’s ver.5 is unknown, perhaps there were multiple revisions during production.

Cloud's new Limit Break is Choukyuu Bushin Hakazan Ver. 5. This translates literally as Super-Ultimate War God Supreme Killing, but was changed to Omnislash for the English version. So, Omnislash Ver. 5.

Cloud's new sword is called "First Tsurugi", or First Sword. It might just be that that's the title of the first of his six swords.


- What do they mean by ‘Mother’?

The ‘Mother’ Kadaj and his brothers are talking about is Jenova. The ‘mother’ Cloud mutters at the end might be him feeling the warmth of the hand on his forehead.


- What were Kadaj, Yazoo and Loz?

Large masses of Sephiroth’s scattered consciousness that materialized. Since they are only parts they don’t have much knowledge regarding Sephiroth, but they have an instinct to perform the Reunion and are trying to retrieve Jenova and be restored to Sephiroth. But, they don’t necessarily want that. Kadaj was the only one who could become Sephiroth. In the end they returned to the Lifestream.

In other words, they are remnants ('shinentai') of Sephiroth.


- Who was the lead villain, Jenova or Sephiroth?

Sephiroth. Jenova was just being used for it’s Reunion function, and doesn’t seem to have an intellect.
This is from Sephiroth’s introduction page in the Ultimania Omega.
In FFVII Sephiroth’s will was stronger than Jenova’s, so Sephiroth took charge over it. Once they left Midgar, the Sephiroth that appears in front of Cloud’s group is actually Jenova. After
leading them to Nibelhelm they’re able to go north, but [Cloud] is told by Sephiroth to ‘bring him the Black Materia’ and they head south where he appears.


- Is Aerith’s VA the same as Yuna’s from FFX?

No, it’s Maaya Sakamoto. [JP Yuna was played by Mayuko Aoki, who did work on motion capture for AC, apparently doing Tifa’s “did we lose to memories?” scene]

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[info]satora_chan
2005-10-10 07:20 pm UTC (link)
In the Forgotten Capital when Marlene says she wants to talk to Tifa, Cloud looks for the phone he lost during the fight with Kadaj. Marlene asked Vincent if he has one, but he opens his cape to show he doesn’t. Upon seeing this Marlene says how it’s unbelievable (that someone doesn’t own a phone).
・He was really hurt by this
・When Cloud says “I’ll let you know how it goes” he makes a phone gesture (holding his hand up to his ear)
If you watch the digest included with AC, you’ll see if he buys a phone or not.


... I find this hilarious XDD Vincent, were you feeling left out?

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[info]ningengirai
2005-10-10 06:41 pm UTC (link)
- Is there a meaning behind the number of birds?

There’s 29 birds that fly past. There’s a theory that it’s because there were 29 main staff members working on FFVII, but it isn’t clear if that's the truth.


- Any little Easter eggs?

Confirmed:
・ On a sign behind Tifa and Denzel has an image of FFVII Cloud
・ The sign that falls on Rude is for the musical LOVELESS


- What was the water Kadaj made the children drink in the Forgotten Capital?

To activate the Jenova cells in the bodies of those infected with Geostigma, Kadaj melded his own will with the water. He thought that the reason they made them drink it is to help with finding their Mother, by activating the cells they can resonate with Jenova's main body, .


- What's the connection between the water (rain) that could cure Geostigma and Aerith?

That was something like holy water, produced by Aerith's limit break "Great Gospel."


- Who's Denzel? Is Tifa his mother?

Denzel is a new character for AC. Tifa isn't his mother, she's just looking after him as an orphan.


- Why is Rufus in a wheelchair?

His legs are weak from the injuries he recieved in the explosion of the Shin-ra Building and the effects of Geostigma.


- What's with Cid's "Shut up! Just jump then! Jump!!" line?

'Jump' is a skill for the Dragoons in the FF series, and one of Cid's limit breaks. Though he's telling everyone else to Jump, he's the only one who can actually use it.


- What's '498 years before' mean?

The first scene in AC (with Red XIII) happens 500 years after FFVII. AC's story is set 498 years before that, 2 years after FFVII.


- I heard about a video for a remake of FFVII?

It was a technical demo, a recreation of the game’s opening using the PS3. It wasn’t a movie, but actual polygons.

From the Ultimania Omega staff interview, Nomura had some comments along these lines:

・A lot of the FFVII staff are in the Kingdom Hearts team
・If they were to make one then they think the people involved with FFVII should make it
・They really don’t have time, to it would be impossible to make it within 5 years (Kitase)
・If they had to choose between FFVII-2 and a brand new game, they’d pick the new game.


Random fact : Every character in the movie is at Level 99. Cloud is at a level above 99. (Woah~! O.o)


Nomura: "AC is a film made by 'Japanese people'. In Hollywood, I think there's this trend that the meaning of every scene has to be clearly shown, but this film isn't necessarily like that. The viewer is free to decide how they interprate or enjoy what we've made. The staff have their own answers to everything included throughout the film, such as the angel statue. But even if someone who watches it interpretes it differently, then that's still another possible answer. I guess 'comparing answers' could be one of the ways to enjoy the film. I think AC is the kind of film that people will want to talk about when they've watched it."

/spammage

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-11 03:47 am UTC (link)
Oh my goodness, thank you very much for posting all this! I had no idea about some of the details that were involved, and I am so glad to know it all! I should go back to AdventChildren.net and reread all this stuff.

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[info]terraplan
2005-10-10 07:39 pm UTC (link)
This. Was. Hilarious.

I was drinking coffee. Big mistake. I saw [info]paxnirvana's warning too late.

OMG this was totally worth pimping around everywhere :D

*cracks up*

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-11 03:16 am UTC (link)
I'm very glad you think so! And, uh, very sorry about the coffee! Thanks!

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[info]miko_no_da
2005-10-10 07:44 pm UTC (link)
*is laughing to hard to actually say anything coherent in response*

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-11 03:14 am UTC (link)
I hope that's a good sign! Thanks!

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[info]dhaunea
2005-10-10 07:51 pm UTC (link)
*has wild hysterics* [info]toxictattoo sent me here, and I've been at my desk laughing till I cried.

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-11 03:11 am UTC (link)
Thanks, I'm glad you liked it!

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[info]2metaldog
2005-10-11 12:24 am UTC (link)
Directed here by paxnirvana. Read the warning and thankfully waited to drink the tea I had. Very good game plan as I would have snorted it through my nose on several occassions. Abso-fricken-hilarious! Glad you shared this with us.

About the only thing I would have liked better from the movie was a little more face time for Tseng. Serious Reno/Tseng addiction going on in my demented brain. As for Sephiroth (!!fangirl warning!!)...so beautiful, so bad, so delicious sounding *sigh*. And the wing. Gawd I'm just a sucker for a white-haired bad boy bent on world domination with wing(s).

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-11 03:19 am UTC (link)
Thanks, that's very kind of you to say! I argued with my subconscious a lot about posting it-- "Dude, just because you thought you were funny at three in the morning doesn't mean it holds up for, you know, reality. Remember the noodle incident?"

Yeah, I quite enjoyed the Turks, although I'm sure Tseng will get his face time in Before Crisis and Crisis Core.

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[info]wolfpilot06
2005-10-11 03:56 am UTC (link)
Of course, I read this way after the fact...*dies laughing*

I really liked your interpretation of AC. XD Everything makes sense now. XD

I do think that the Turks (re: Reno and Rude) made the movie priceless. Bwa ha ha. I'd like to say more, but I'm currently too amused to be coherent.

**Wolf**

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-11 06:16 am UTC (link)
No worries. I wrote this way after the fact.

I kid because I love! And also because I have a terminal case of "does not know when to keep mouth shut." Tragic, really.

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[info]mercuriosity
2005-10-11 03:57 am UTC (link)
The sub I watched said that what they found in the North Crater was Jenova's neck--which would make a lot more sense in terms of being in that little box.

Also, I totally did not understand what Geostigma was either. I just thought, "Yay! Anime cliche #832: Mysterious epidemic with few discernible symptoms apart from general emo-ness!"

Finally, am I the only one who got afterlife-nookie vibes from Zack and Aeris? I mean, it doesn't look like there's a whole lot to do in the Floating Land of White Shining Light, I figured they probably got bored and messed around a bit while waiting for Cloud to join them.

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[info]mercuriosity
2005-10-11 04:02 am UTC (link)
Oh, also, first time I saw the SHM? I decided they were clearly meant to be an Evil J-Rock Band. Kadaj would be the lead singer, of course. The girly one with girly bangs who looks like a girl would play guitar, in the tradition of Mana, and the big one would play bass. And they're chasing after Cloud to try and recruit him to play drums for them. The fact that epic battles are involved is all the result of a tragic misunderstanding.

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[info]penchaft
2005-10-11 12:12 pm UTC (link)
Sent by [info]velithya. Laughed until my cheeks ached. Have already made 7 CID FUCKING HIGHWIND icons (if I had money, I'd buy a paid account just I wouldn't be limited to 3 AC icons. *cough*), and if I'd had the patience to spend another half an hour capping, I'd have ass grabbing icons too. Woe my lack of patience.

Cheers so much for writing this. =D

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-11 07:26 pm UTC (link)
Aw, thanks! And I love your icon! Seriously, I think I could happily fill all my icon slots with AC icons alone. Hell, I could probably do an all-Cloud or all-Sephiroth icon theme, which places me firmly in the dork camp.

No worries! Thanks!

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[info]ouri
2005-10-11 06:21 pm UTC (link)
I firmly believe that Zack was right there with Aeris in the "boosting Cloud higher" scene - they just had to cut his footage, because he had his hand planted (of course) right on Cloud's ass. ^_^

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-11 07:24 pm UTC (link)
Wow. That makes so much more sense it's almost scary. XD

I loved the pictures of you in your kimono!

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[info]xiaa
2005-10-12 10:58 pm UTC (link)
*unlurks for a moment*

Hmm, there was another theory about how the children got the Geostigma, I'm not sure if you've heard it.

When Cloud threw Sephiroth into the Mako Reactor, Sephiroth landed in the Lifestream along with Jenova. The theory is that Jenova contaminated the Lifestream a little, so many of the children born after the Nibelheim mission possibly had part of Jenova in them as well.

Though in the movie, some of the children did look a bit older than 8, so I'm guessing it's not a really great theory.

And your review of Advent Children is awesome. Cloud's ass is a seme magnet XD I'd so want to make subtitles based off your review, but I have a character analysis paper to write ;__; [/procrastination]

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[info]thorne_scratch
2005-10-12 11:21 pm UTC (link)
Lurkers in the corner, how marvelous! That said, thanks for the potential theory. I suppose the answer is probably out there and I simply haven't read the right article or interview yet. Ah, well.

Also, thanks! Zack's probably bought Cloud a shirt emblazoned with "Seme magnet" on it.

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